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MOVE on Referencing/Copying and the fans that flame on people: My opinions on referencing/copying and fans...

[My Opinion Versus Everyone's] Please remember these are simply my opinions and are not meant to imply that you should agree or disagree nor should these prove to be offensive in any way; if I do come across displeasingly then you have my apologies beforehand, thank you.
Ah and btw! I'll be double posting these on my Tumblr so if you like this, reblog it here! It would be awesome :D

"Yay! Another MOVE entry that's been long anticipated in the series! :icondummywooplz: I wonder what this one is about!! I should read this whole thing before commenting!! (pretty please XD, I know it's long! Just bear with me :3)"

I often get notes telling me about ____ artist using my work(s) as reference and/or copying my style in drawing ____.
I'm sure there are so many more artists that get notifications just like this! And I always get links to either specific parts of _____'s gallery or images and at times I'll be linked my specific pieces that have elements of them obviously carried on into _____'s work.

I just wanted to give my opinion on this at least once!

I don't think referencing or even copying is wrong at all.

I think not crediting is very wrong though.

Often times I'll come across pieces that are really obviously inspired by other artists or other artwork and there's always a select amount of times where I see fans of the original artist (that this person was inspired by) who end up just cussing the **** out of the person.

A few things.
1. You may not realize how awfully immature you sound when you start going "YOU F****** B**** U TOTALLY STOLE THIS OFF OF LIEK ______'s PIECE RIGHT HERE"
2. You honestly think that's going to help ANYBODY? o_____o

I personally know I get short of temper at times and over the years I've done my best to not lose my mind over trolls or simple art 'copiers' and the like.
Now on the subject of copying..

Good Artists Copy; Great Artists Steal

-Pablo Picasso

I'm positive Picasso would've never guessed there were as many online "artists" actually STEALING art today so please don't misinterpret his quote.
I personally interpret it as the simple truth that we all copy from someone or something.

Take the simple example of drawing a tree. How in the world can you draw a tree, if you've never seen one before? Sure people can tell you "Oh it's usually has green leaves etc etc" and then there's the fact, how can you know what the color green is like if you've never seen it before?

We all "take" from Nature. No point denying it because it's just hard fact :XD:

Is that not copying? Or otherwise 'stealing'? Depends how you interpret the word. We put licenses on species we make and the like and we want credit for them, but you don't think too much about crediting the tree or the world itself back to Nature or God or both or whatever in the world you choose to believe made (or is) this world.

We make our own original species but when you think about it, we all still base it on things we've seen. Even if you were go so far as to make the ultimate never-before-seen species. You can make anything you want, a ball of ectoplasmic goop that has ... oh I don't know... steam coming out of its ... mouth? Or something. I mean pfff, how would you know what 'goop' even looks like if you've never seen it ;p

Haha but anyway back to square one.

I've copied, you've copied. We all copy. We copy from the natural world. And even if we don't mean to, we'll copy from artists we admire, or even artists we just come across. We'll even take ideas from people who don't even have interest in art. It's as simple as designing a character who hates art and loves (random ideas ftw) to fix cars or something. You'll need to have some idea of what people who love cars do and how would you know what they are like? Well of course, you look at people who love cars! :) That's taking 'ideas' from something/someone else, is it not?

But needless to say, although yes, even I would find it absolutely ridiculous to credit every single thing imaginable since my credits list would span a whole book I'd think...

Tree © Nature
....*5,000 words later*
Cell © Nature
DNA © Nature
Colors © Nature
Idea for the guy riding the bike © All the people who've ever ridden bikes
Idea for the male hairstyle © All guys who have hair
Wind © Nature
Metal frame on bike © Nature & Bike-manufacturing companies and/or people

You see what I mean? e___e
But in reality, that would be the extent of full credits. Because they're not yours. You didn't come up with the idea and even any idea you come up with, isn't really yours :) It's your creation based on your whole life worth of gaining knowledge and inspiration.

But also needless to say, I'm not going to be some freak to go into every philosophical aspect of life and dwell in a permanent state of existential crisis :facepalm:

SO :D The bottom line is...!

1. REFERENCING/COPYING is not necessarily wrong.

(YES, art theives. Who merely take and repost, is very wrong, but why all the flaming? Sure it's fun to just wallow in your self glory after you step on someone for doing something you strongly disagree with "Huh, you can't say anything back huh? Shows how pathetic you are" But you are so ultimately immature it's not even admirable from any standpoint other than people just like you. I used to be like that, but I know my faults so please don't. It's not worth your time and it's not going to make anything better. Seriously. Now you both look pathetic and from any mature point of view, you're showing how much more childish you are.

I heavily disagree with tracing without credit as well of course. Or merely taking ideas from people. You can't just say "oh I was inspired to make a character just like pikachu because he's so cute! So you can't blame me!!" but yes. I and everyone else can blame you and you are at fault.)

When you so much as reference POSES down to the placement of certain limbs and such, well 1. xDDD Lol I'm sorry but, I don't think it's smart to reference the anatomy of ANYBODY's artwork no matter how anatomically correct it may be. Unless you're Da Vinci because he's just badass like that :3 (Lol jk, even so..) Pictures are always always your best friend when it comes to anatomy. Unless you have a real life model. I make tons and TONS of anatomical mistakes even though I try my best to get it right. And I improve of course, but no matter what, I'm not going to get it down spot on. xD And I actually prefer it that way, just personally I focus more on the general expression/emotion value in the overall character than the anatomy ouo But that's just me haha! I find it really amazing when some people can get such lovely and intricate anatomical details down! But that's not my style.

Yes, there was a time I pretty much would reference like any image of disney characters and stuff like that as a young kid because to me it was just like WOAH they look awesome --I wanna draw like that!

But come on, let's face it, we all have to drop such habits at times! There's a reason people make coloring books for 4 year olds lol xD (not saying there aren't child prodigies of course like Kieron Williamson more recently) --but otherwise, we all grew up learning how to draw, for us artists!

So put aside my rambling but.. STOP THINKING YOU CAN GET AWAY WITH REFERENCING OTHER PEOPLE'S WORK xD Because sure maybe most other people won't see the similarities, but it's very obvious to the original artist themselves. I know my style and work like the back of my hand and I will remember all the pieces I've made from so much as a glance at them. (Yes the exceptions are my really disasterous childhood attempts to either drawing realistic things or copy disney/manga characters Lol :3)

I've come to dislike coming to the artist who I can see took inspiration from certain aspects of my work, etc, because there's always the chance-- as I've learned-- that I get a completely DENIAL. And you may still say (oh maybe they were telling the truth), and yet at times it is just happenstance that people will develop similar styles in work and never know until someone accuses one or the other of copying. But when I can regocnize the poses and the mismatched styles, it's really dissapointing when I see people flat out pretending they never noticed. I can publicly humiliate them individually by submitting side-by-side comparisons with full length explanations and descriptions to show you guys what I mean, but I find that also unnecessary when it's as simple as something that can be corrected by just putting (I took inspiration from ____'s work!)

Instead of not saying anything. Even things like (I referenced a bucnh of images from google) --of course making sure they're free of copyrights-- but even that is a good habit to get into. Sometimes we forget, yes, but you seriously can't forget 20 times over when you directly reference.

You'll get more RESPECT when you start admitting simple little things. It's hard, I know, I don't even admire myself when I say I used to copy disney art or artwork from animes. But HEY, no point denying it. It won't make me a better artist either.

I can go on and on about the details, so called 'stealing' designs or saying 'oh your work reminds me of ___' (which can be extremely insulting). Because on a mini-note, when you work for hours and hours on a design/piece that you find original and just something you're so proud of. I'm sure none of us want to be 'simply told' that our work reminded them of someone else's. Because what that's saying, even if you don't mean it of course! Is "I just put hours of work into this and now someone's telling me my work isn't even original" .... :/ think about that for a moment. It's very very offensive to most people.

So all in all! CREDIT. Please xD Don't wait till the artist comes to you and then engage in that awkward conversation of "I know you referenced my work.." "OH um no, I didn't know I did?? I might've not realized??"

Because personally, I find it extremely admirable when people admit their inspirations, and I hold a lot of respect for those that are open and honest about it.

We all make mistakes, just think to yourself, how long are you going to make yours :/

and thenn....


It makes the original artist of the fans look silly (at times), and it's also rather embarassing too more often than not. I don't believe in the ridiculous

hierarchy of fans vs the-fanned-of (?? lol what celine, seriously, the fanned of??? *major fail*), so not only do I find it a little awkward at times, but it's also harder talking to the artist who's referenced off of me or something, when they're already 'in the dumps' and in an awful mood about the whole situation.

To make it simple, imagine YOURSELF just la-dee-daa logging in and BAM 10 comments going "F. U." and just a whole alskdfhlkajshdfkjHDSKJFHSDKLJhf kjadshf of spammage, disregarding any situation that might've taken place in your life. It's never fun to even think about!

EVEN IF YOU ARE AN ART THEIF. So many 'art theives' are merely underaged kids who come online and at times get snobby over their newly copied work they so fabulously copied and made so close to the original!! I've seen it over and over.

There is NOT point trolling on them. Because they're too young to even cope with it maturely most of the time. They end up just throwing all your profane words right back at ya, and getting even MORE defensive.

And not only that, but oh gosh, when you're like 11 or 12, and your first experiences with the online world is a bunch of teens, etc, cussing at you for doing something you weren't really aware was so wrong, then it's just a great way to destroy your world view.
I know it's easy to say "OF COURSE COPYING IS WRONG" and yes when the art theif is like 14, I get second thoughts of course. But oh gosh, if they are so obviously just eager to post their work they're proud of, regardless of the face it's copied, etc, then why.. what posesses you to just cuss these kids out?

It doesn't make them stop.
It's not good for your mental health (idk about physical)
And you're just WASTING YOUR TIME.

These kids don't see you as respectable adults trying to tell them what's right and what's wrong. If their parent or teacher told them it was wrong, I'm sure that..
1. They would realize it sooner than later (unless they are are little obnoxious devils xD)
2. Their parents or teachers , etc, probably don't go "YOU F*** asldkfjhaslkdjhf #$2340ERU$*3759q8734 STOP STEALING WORK YOU USELESS C***"

It takes more willpower to be mature even when you're not wrong and you get cussed at back when you're only trying to be rational and mature. But that's what it takes to be respected and as hard as it may be, you're going nowhere with the other attitude.

And when I see a whole chain of comments to go "HELL YEA, YOU TOLD 'EM!" or "YEA, YOU GO TELL THAT GUY/GIRL/KID!"
It's just so impossibly pathetic, I don't even know what to tell you x____x

When you come up with smart replies back to troll comments, that's another thing. But if it's just the simple cussing out a random person for doing something you find unacceptable, just. Why?

Even I always get comments on these types of journals that make me just slam my face on my desk in a "why, world, WHY" type of way. People trying to be smart at times going "Oh yea, well you know what, what about the fact when they're just trolling you? Surely you can't just be too nice-- people will start steppin' on ya!"

Or comments I simply get to test my opinion. So for one. IT'S MY OPINION. Not the universal life truth! You can agree, or disagree. But you look so awfully lame when you just disagree for the sake of disagreeing. X_______X

Or have you realized that some people just want attention by going all crazy like that? If you cuss them back, you're giving them that satisfaction. Why is this so hard to grasp!
There are times when being angry and using profane words is just "more acceptable" than other times (I guess? x__X) But it's never the right way. Which is why you don't see the president doing it. Of any country. (and don't bother pointing out the exceptions-- OH BUT THIS PRESIDNT OF THIS COUNTRY TOTALLY CUSSED AND LOST IT eUe HMMPH what now, Capu, got nothing to say huh? --because.. I mean. e___e seriously?)

I'm not a completely anti-evrerything that sounds mean- freak. I understand the human needs to express anger and frustration and let loose a few words here and there. But just STOP STOP STOP flaming on people like a complete kid!
Don't get me wrong please X___X I'm not trying to humiliate you, I want to help you. But you have to understand, this never works.

But alright! That's about as much as I have to say that I can think of :3
I might not be able to reply to everything I get, as quickly, but I always try to! Check out my official list of MOVE entries on my page if you wanna read more of my opionions on stuff :D And share your opinions as well so we can all join hands and sing kumbaya *^*

But haha, I'm also well aware I also get hate comments on these no matter what or just flat out disagreements, but don't let things like that bother you. It's natural to be bothered, but seriously, to help yourself. Just don't bother with it xD

Okay! ^-^ That's all I got! :la:

See you later, friends, frenemies, and capukitties!


And for my bynowwellknown edits *facepalm*!

Additions to the previous wall of text :3

-My opinion on character 'stealing'
Well for example my character Winter. Her original design is basically a white wolf with black ears, legs, tail tip, and eye dot things (lol) and then blue eyes to top it off.
You can view her gallery folder here (it's not hard to guess which is her original design)…
She's pretty much my first ever character! Aside from her pink and yellow scarf, her base design is easily and I mean EASILY reproduced by an artist half way around the world who's never seen my work.

WhiteSpiritWolf, for example, has a fursona who more or less is a similar design. IN NO WAY am I saying she copied me or I copier her or everyone who has the same pattern of design copied us but what I am saying is that, this design (although we all had our own takes on it and tweeks too), isn't something that is so out of this world, a few artists can't have the same basic idea to produce the base for this. White with black limbs and features. I am NOT saying it's unoriginal, I'm just saying that it is ridiculous for anyone to even try and accuse someone else for 'stealing' this design.
When you steal specific aspects, like the markings coming off WhiteSpiritWolf's character's eyes, or well... the totality of the scarf and design and I guess spots maybe on mine, then you can safely start to approach the person and ask about it. But in general I've seen dozens of characters with the same general idea for the design and it's O.K.

I accept I'm not the only one who came up with this, but that's because I'm well aware of the ease of creating something very similar!
Needless to say, situation is key. I came from a website mostly inhabited by 10-12 year olds. Sometimes even 7-9 year olds or younger. Disney Create. Lol.
I've mentioned it a few times before in random places, but basically they have no policies regarding art theft really, as long as your work is 'appropriate' for the audience. You cannot report anyone for that fact (which is why I left because...). Due to the fact there were so few artists of actual age when you start to want to develop your own styles and ideas, 75% of the population there is basically "copy and reproduce" type of kids. Which is OK (as I explained above in the entry).. BUT. I simply can't stay there-- not only because the vector base app crashes a lot and has no pen pressure or ANYTHING, but because my retired fursona Winter was copied directly about a few dozen times and it wasn't secret. When no one else had a character with those markings in the time before i submitted my work, it was obvious that they copied on TOP OF the fact they'd directly copy the poses, linework, and coloring as well xD I'd see people take out/add markings or change the scarf color but the fact their art style and just the whole concept of the piece was so obviously not theirs.

For example, this one's more so an example of copying ideas and pictures than design but it's also obvious.
Mine is on the right.
oh no :n: by Artluver25
So needless to say, that type of copying is not tolerated out in the real world. If you want to copy and not get any hate for it, go to a kid's website like Disney Create. Not deviantArt.

Other than that, if you take something that's so obviously original and full of geniune ideas and try to make it your own. You can consider that an epic fail. :/
You can't take the physical body of a Pikachu or a Kirby etc, and not have people regocnizing it. Even take griffsnuff's Snuffen or Helkfrost. You just won't get away with doing that.

You can copy characters like Winter and never have to say you took inspiration at all (if you have no shame), but you seriously have to be really thickheaded to take distinct features off of very unique characters and call it your own without expecting some inquiries.
Yes I'm very VERY well aware of all exceptions when you honestly just come up with the same tail design or certain attributes of teh body, etc. But the TOTALITY is what's key. That chances of picking two numbers that someone else picked in a lottery are high, the more numbers you add, the less the probability is.
The chances of two people picking the same numbers in the same order is almost 1 to infinity but it still happens and that's why there are two winners at times (or more!).

But numbers and art are also two different (very different) things. I don't need to teach anyone about intuition, as we all know when someone is most obviously copying.
To take one certain feature and tell them off is a different story, but when not only the bodily features are similar, but style and sometimes colors as well, then you know you have a theif.

Not only the visual aspect though, but the emotional and personal values. You can't exactly copy someone's biography and claim it as your own. Or pull out the main ideas and just change it to fit your needs. That's also STEALING. Because as a very enthusiastic and passionate character designer myself, I put heck of a lot of time and work into developing personalities, background stories, and just molding the character both physically and mentally to the best of my abilities. To have someone take that or some aspects of it and just claim it as their own is extremely offensive and disrespectful.

But as always, please don't take the profanity way out of this. It doesn't help anyone.

If they're really geniunely just an admiring fan, then there's no reason for them to receive hate if they're not purposely stealing or trying to receive credit for work that's not all theirs.

And that's my opinion haha XD ! :3

And one last last thing!
Guess what?! As I was so deliciously reminded by many comments too and by my own experiences, TAKE ART CLASS and you'll learn that most if not all teachers will tell you to COPY and REFERENCE from some professional artist's work at some point! I know I've had teachers tell me to do the same and LEARN from it!

Don't be childish and use this and say "MY TEACHER SAYS IT'S OKAY TO COPY" because they'll also tell you taking images that are copyrighted is WRONG.
So don't twist people's words!

And then of course.
We all want to inspire people. To know you inspire others, and affect other people in positive ways, is personally, one of the best feelings ever.
But likewise, to know you inspired others who don't even give you the recognition, is heavily insulting because it's basically unappreciating your time and effort that they can claim is theirs. What you spent years developing was just copied by someone who now claims they did it overnight!
That's extremely, extremely disrespectful. Don't do it! Because one day when you have someone who was inspired by your work and didn't bother to credit, you'll be feeling the same way but you'd be awfully hypocritical to criticize them.

But of course one of the most important points of all.... 

If you want to reference a copyrighted work from any artist, make sure you ask them first for permission if they'll allow it. DO NOT just reference/copy without artist permission. It's not their fault if they approach you in a less than good mood since the work might've been a commission with all rights sold to the commissioner or just a really personal piece, etc.
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SparkleStudiosDC Featured By Owner Feb 12, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
So as you know I'm pretty much known as a bitch.
I have pretty much ruined my life with deviant art and disney create.
I impersonated nan and copied her and still nobody is forgiving me. You-know-who-is-her-best-friend told me I should fall in a hole and die. She told me I should burn. When I am in nans join mes nan acts a little bit nice to me but when You-know-who-is-her-best-friend joins, she all of a sudden changes mood. She sort of changes herself. I know I shouldn't be gossiping about this but I was only a young 13 year old. I needed an inspiration. I loved Nan's art style and I COUDNT help it. I wanted to be her because people actually loved her. So, the stupid person that i was, i impersonated her. Now, I am going to kill myself, literally. I want to die. I'm tired of the hate, it's time for me to leave the world.
I know what I did was wrong, but nobody is forgiving me even though I admitted it. They are still not happy. So, I want them to know that I took the things that they said SERIOUSLY. if they ask, I committed suicide.
Capukat Featured By Owner Oct 27, 2014  Professional General Artist
I'm really sorry for the late rely Sparkle! I will note you !
triangIes Featured By Owner Aug 8, 2014  Student General Artist

Hey there! I might not be the right person to reply to this, especially since this is Celine's journal, but I am also from Disney! I saw a lot of copying going on at DC, especially of Nan and Capu’s styles. I don't know who you were on Disney, and I really think it is irrelevant, but I'm sure you have gotten a lot of hate. My suggestion would be to go and apologize for your actions. I know it might have been a personal achievement to have your style/art grow by looking at someone else's work and trying to copy and incorporate that into your own work. I understand that. Believe me, i did that, especially with Capu's art. But i never posted it as my original art seen as it was created by Celine and took her many years to create. I never even posted it. It was a personal study. I know you might have felt happy because you finally mastered the style or it was looking good to you, but it was never yours, so just like Capu said, credit, credit, credit! The best thing you can really do is apologize. If you just say I'm sorry I realize that I've made a mistake and can you please forgive me? That will usually make all of the difference. If not, then the artist is usually very upset and not taking it in a rational way, which is common because they can be so hurt by your actions. But I'm a friend of Nans, and she is one of the sweetest persons i have ever met. You should go talk to her. I know that you will want to put in that you wanted to be like her, and so many other personal excuses, but the best way to go about it is to just apologize and ask for forgiveness. No excuses, just an apology. And don’t think about suicide in such a way! This is a very small thing next to murder and killing yourself. Don’t ruin yourself because you have done one bad action. You won’t be able to grow as a person. I know you said that you meant it literally, but you should never do such a thing to yourself. Solve the problem and go on with your life. I’m not saying that what you did was right, and I definitely don’t support your actions, but make sure that you fix them so that you don’t live in regret your whole life. And then you can grow and thrive, trust me.  

SparkleStudiosDC Featured By Owner Oct 17, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Thanks, and my DC was SparkleStudios. And I don't know how to apologize and ask for forgiveness because her and her best friend blocked me. ( '._.)
Rainiila Featured By Owner Jan 2, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
*waves hand in air
I know I've commentened on this before, but I have a question.

I'm still developing my own style, so often I try to draw artwork just slightly in the style of other people. It normally doesn't come out looking too much like any of their art though, just 'cos I'm not as amazing as them, and I'm only basing it lightly on their way of doing things. Plus, most of the time it's sorta self-consciously, so it's only at the end when I realise I'm sorta basing it on someone else's style.
Should I credit them?
As I said, it's really a mixture of my style with a tiny bit of there style, and sometimes it's, like, two styles and my style. Or a style from an artist I can't even remember the name of. But I should I try to credit them? 

Capukat Featured By Owner Oct 27, 2014  Professional General Artist
Well up to you c: No one's forcing you to of course. 

I feel like crediting is a nice way of respecting the artist. Whether you put it on your profile, or maybe a bio, or in your art piece, I don't think you have to repeatedly put it on every art submission but once in a while maybe it's a nice thing to do! like (I was inspired to create my style after seeing how ____ does her eyes!) or something :D
dweeblet Featured By Owner Jan 21, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
If I were you, I'd credit or at the very least mention if the piece of artwork resembles another person's style close enough to be labeled a "thief" or somesuch by immature yahoos. Some such examples as Crosswalk Cover ((WIP)) by InkDropArtist and Undead Doodle Doggy by InkDropArtist are modeled after lupisvulpes's style in an act of experimentation by me. All in all, I think it's better safe than sorry when it comes to crediting your references. :D 
cddmanful Featured By Owner Nov 10, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Hi, Celine!  
I know this is a super-late comment, but I wanted to say I agree with what you have to say about the line between referencing and copying~~~ It seems to me that anyone who thinks about it for a bit, can determine the difference between learning from someone and just copying them.  However, as you point out, the age and experience of the person would help the understanding of the distinction....   And as far as what they used to call "flaming" the thief, sometimes ignoring them/not commenting on them does more good than giving them lots of interaction, which the worst of them crave..........
Sleazinator Featured By Owner Sep 29, 2013   General Artist
I respect your opinions, but I want to say a couple of things. 1. If you saw you got inspiration from somewhere, you should just say so in the description even if no one reads it. 2. I do see the "Your art looks just like __" as offensive if the artist doesn`t even know the other person`s talking about.
Capukat Featured By Owner Sep 29, 2013  Professional General Artist
I agree with both C:

The second I had a problem with, I've had a few people say my fursona Kiaro reminds them of an anime guy named Tsuna who tbh, I still don't even know what the anime is about! x___x
So I definitely could say it's rather offensive, even thought they might not have meant it
Sleazinator Featured By Owner Sep 29, 2013   General Artist
I see. I have a question. What is tbh supposed to mean?
Capukat Featured By Owner Oct 1, 2013  Professional General Artist
*to be honest hehe x3 sorry!
Sleazinator Featured By Owner Oct 2, 2013   General Artist
I see. That`s okay.
ToddNTheShiningSword Featured By Owner Sep 29, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I wanted to add one more comment and then I'll leave you alone :XD:

That part about how it's offensive when someone says "Your art looks just like ____" . You said most people find that very, very offensive. I... wanna say "Speak for yourself, honey" on that one. I know from reading the Comments here that people agree with you, and that makes complete and total sense, but if everyone found that offensive like that, no one would look at people's art and say that except to troll them :trollface: . I've had people say that to me, and they didn't mean any offense and I didn't take them. Different people are offended by different things, and this is a case where what's an insult to one is an honor to another. Many artists would be blown away if you said their work looks just like the work of an artist they see as awesome. The day somebody tells me that something I drew looks just like something specific from an old fashioned Disney movie, and they link me to exactly what they were talking about, and it was a scene I hadn't seen... That day I will be so honored that I faint on the spot! :faint:

I know people hide offense to be polite, but especially if you know the person you can still tell they were offended... and as far as I can tell in all my exchanges where that kind of comparing was done, we all just found the comparisons to be interesting. I feel like it should only be offensive if the artist was clearly overflowing with pride over how original their creation was and then somebody pointed out that it wasn't. Everyone should have enough... tact... to know they'll be raining on that artist's parade if it's obvious they're uncharacteristically proud of their originality and only do it then if they feel like they need to burst that poor person's bubble.

But I guess very callous or nonchalant and fast comments that say the person didn't think much of one's art are always a little un-fun to get. :shrug:

But I guess my point is, a lot of people don't even see comparing one person's art to another's as even being offensive... when people do that, I hope you give some of them a break if they didn't seem rude!
Capukat Featured By Owner Oct 27, 2014  Professional General Artist
I can understand your point! :D
Sorry for the late reply by the way X___X Haven't checked comments for this journal in a while.

But yeah, of course nothing is absolute so in that sense I agree. However I recall a moment back when someone told me my work reminded them of another artist on the site who is professional and awesome (to say the least) but although I felt a bit surprised and happy for a moment, I realized that I didn't want my work to be a reminder of another artist but to be a reminder of myself.. if that makes sense. 
Of course not everyone may feel the same, failed to mention that in the journal. Because I have a friend who intentionally draws in a disney Lion King style and mimics is amazingly and to her it's a compliment, being reminded of disney of course.

Though I suppose for anyone who wants to shine through for their own style and originality, it's not the most lovely comment to see that some part of your style looks like someone else's. Though yes I also agree that not everyone means it in a negative way! Although I've been told my original character Kiaro looks like Tsuna, a boy character from an anime. My character's a wolf mind you and the only resemblance was the brown coloration and fire upon their heads XD So to those comments I find it ridiculous and quite discerning. Not that I get upset at the person, I would just rather them think twice before posting.

Although yeah sorry about the late reply! I can see your point though :)
ToddNTheShiningSword Featured By Owner Oct 28, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I don't think people should see a need to think twice about that before posting because you only think twice about things that could be seen as bad, and they don't see how one thing reminding them of another is bad. :shrug:

I bet it depends on what you're making, and I see other people dislike it too, but unless you told people (the way you did here) that you didn't like it when they say your art reminds them of something, how would they even know? Personally, I think if you have to think twice about that, then you have to think twice about everything, because anything will be offensive to someone. One time I was working and a guy got mad at me because I called him "sir", and he found that offensive and told me all about it. A guy at my neighborhood store held the door open for a woman and she got so mad at him for doing it that he wanted to slam the door on her nose for the nasty treatment she gave him.

That's the problem with talking to strangers: You don't know what gets on their nerves.:doh: :shrug:
Every idea any human gets is based on all the things we've seen before, so we know it's not really possible to make something totally original anyway. Wanting to make something original is a very reasonable and good thing to do, but wanting to make something that's so original that it can never remind anyone of anything they have ever seen before ever is too unrealistic, and if you actually made something like that, it would probably confuse everyone.:slow: Just because your art reminds someone of art they've seen before (like pretty much all art does to someone) doesn't mean it isn't original and yours. :thanks: It's irritating to have someone practically tell you that maybe you're not as original as you thought though. :cry:

I don't think it's that bad for our art to remind someone of other work because that lets us know what people are thinking, and isn't that what we want when we get comments? :) I remember getting surprised to hear people thought something I made reminded them of one thing or another, and it made me want to learn more about the thing they said.

And speaking of surprised, I thought I was never gonna get a reply to this Comment! :XD:Thirteen months is a long time!! :XD:
Capukat Featured By Owner Oct 28, 2014  Professional General Artist
Pardon me for replying backwards as I'll reply to your last statement first XD

Ah yes sorry for the late reply once again ! I tend to get messages piled up on artwork I submit and reply to those first so the comments on journals always get left in like the page 20's of my inbox ^^; 
Fortunately this past weekend I had some free time to clear out some of my inbox and decided to work backwards with the oldest stuff.. Haha 
Sorry :iconfacepalmplz:
I've always tried to build a habit of replying to everything as fast as possible however I guess three hours goes by fast when replying to comments on journals like this :iconhecryplz:

But I agree with you, of course it's impossible to know what irritates others, even when you may be doing things out of good intention or no purposeful intention at all.
It's unfortunate but true.

I suppose it's just that often times in art I feel a lot of people, or least enough of the majority, tend to be bothered by the idea that their work might not be original. Of course, technically nothing is /really/ original from the moment we open our eyes and take inspiration from our surroundings and nature :) So I agree.
I don't know; wrote this journal a bit too long ago at an age I might have sounded more over-reactive than intended. 

In the end, I guess it comes down to personal preference.  I personally wouldn't want to be blatantly told that my work is a constant reminder of someone elses's (as has happened quite a few times in the past, not for logical reasons either). It makes me feel like the only thing that comes to mind when they see my work is well.. someone else. Though in some cases I understand that's a compliment, I find that in most scenarios, it's not taken as a compliment by most people. Though there are times when I would love if someone could tell me if a character I'm trying to design resembles something else -- so that I may change it and not be accused of stealing later on-- I feel like when I've put so much effort and pride into creating something to have it be degraded into a simple reminder, instead of a fresh idea, that it just makes me feel like my efforts were still not good enough.

But alas! Not trying to argue. Glad to hear your side of things too :)!
ToddNTheShiningSword Featured By Owner Nov 1, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Your Reply didn't take a year! :XD: :happybounce:

It's okay if you reply backward! I do that a lot, and I did it to you and was about to apologize to you for it when I made the message before.

Boy do I know about how easily three hours can go by replying to messages like this! And what's worse for you, is that I looked on the Comments you had on that Journal and I saw how long so many of them were, so it could take forever just to do a few of them! When you have tons of messages, you have to switch to oldest first or you'll never get to the back of them! :work:

I'm glad I talked to you, because I learned something about artists. :)
Capukat Featured By Owner Nov 1, 2014  Professional General Artist
and now my reply took two hours 30 minutes-- drastic improvement.

Ah no worries ^^;

Yeah, I should start typing faster. dA's already increased my typing speed to 140wpm max and that's still not cutting it. I guess it's time to double that if I am to reply more efficiently...
Totally kidding though xD

But yeah, you too! Nice chat. :aww:
ToddNTheShiningSword Featured By Owner Nov 1, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
You replied back faster than me! :clap:
From thirteen months to thirty minutes! :winner: :XD: I wish I could improve like that! :)

280 wpm is... too fast!! :typerhappy: I don't think that's possible, lol.

:dalove:dA made me a lot faster too! :highfive: I typed pretty slow I think before I had hundreds of deviantART messages to reply to. :work:
But now I'm going to let you go so you don't have more and more messages to reply to because of me! :la:
Capukat Featured By Owner Nov 2, 2014  Professional General Artist
Oops that reply got sent too early.

Nothing is impossible! I shall conquer that 280 and proceed to doubling it again. not

The benefits of online messaging eh?

But alright, take care then :)
Capukat Featured By Owner Nov 2, 2014  Professional General Artist
Haha! Well thank you :bow:
flutist Featured By Owner Jan 15, 2014  Professional General Artist
I find your comment interesting, because I (and some of my friend, whom not a native english speaker/writer) find that kind of "remind me of..." comment far from offensive. In our native language it can be used to express compliment.

for example: Whoa, that's so beautiful, I almost thought that it's belong to Mucha... <<< that's a compliment

... because someone should be very good at art noveau before someone else said that her/his art remind them of Mucha's.
but now that I know that some people thinks that kind of comment is offensive, I will refrain to use such phrase :D

Good day :wave:
ToddNTheShiningSword Featured By Owner Jan 15, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I am also happy you told me about Mucha.
ToddNTheShiningSword Featured By Owner Jan 15, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Don't refrain from using that phrase. Many people don't care if you say it, and depending on what you say, some people (like me) would take it as a compliment. But you should make sure that if you say something like that, or if you say that one picture reminds you of another one, you should be careful how you say it. If you say it too quickly and are not caring enough when you say it than I guess the artist may not like it. But maybe you are right and you should say that kind of phrase less. But I don't think you should stop using it altogether.

Also, I am glad you came down and replied to me! :D
The Comment wasn't to you but you found it interesting anyway. :)
GodsAngelGG Featured By Owner Sep 28, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
1. Looking at art for a body refrence is not bad. You may see a drawing with a pose you particually like, and you need help with porportions, and you study the way things look, well it is not copying or stealing from teh artist because poses don't belong to artists. Mark Crilley himself has studied pictures and look how good he has gotten just by studing a photo. Refrenceing is not tracing or copying it is studing, so that you may be able to do it with the skill you have. 

2. Tracing is a skill, many people trace, yet cannot trace as good as others. Yes, it is bad if they claim the trace as all of thier work, and it is proper to credit the orginal. 

3. I dont see why you put copying and refrence together. Copying is downloaded art or recopying it and say its is yours once you repost it. Refrenceing is just studying others art for help or inspiration without tracing or copying. If they look and redraw your art it is NOT a refrence it is a type of tracing and copying. 

4. Yes yelling will not help anybody but it sure helps some. 
Capukat Featured By Owner Sep 29, 2013  Professional General Artist
As a reply in the same order hehe x3

1. Yes, it's not a bad thing! It's just the fact that even if you make the slightest anatomical mistake off of referencing off a photo, someone referencing your art will end up taking 'tips' from already slightly incorrect anatomy, try to change it, and end up with an even less anatomical image. I can see how you would do it for just the practice purposes, etc, if you really like the way someone carried out a pose, but it won't help you improve in the long run. At least not as much as you would from studying actual pictures!

Haha, yes of course, but M. Crilley references photography for the realism he does!

2. You can be good at tracing, but it'll never help you improve your artwork because you're ultimately just drawing over an already created image or photo. I believe it's very important to be able to draw from a mental image and physical, but have the accuracy be based on practice, other than tracing.

3. Because a lot of people confuse the two. I'm aware there's a very clear and hard distinction because I reference and I don't copy, but it's needless to say some people will argue they are merely referencing. I've had people even trace my work, which is obvious because when I had overlayed the image on top of mine, it was exactly the same in terms of the physical shape-- they'll argue they were only referencing though. It's really obnoxious when it's a very obvious denial, but regardless, they are two very different and unrelated things at all, but I feel it's important to mention them in one journal to make it clear to both sides.

4. It makes the people who don't need to be yelled at realize their faults. Jerks will only get more jerky if you yell at them. But haha, I speak for the majority. And in majority, most people do not respond positively to profanity and over-excessive caps.

But thanks for your opinions!
GodsAngelGG Featured By Owner Sep 29, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
1. i would say if you like the pose or way someone did it, it won't matter if it doesnt have really super intense relation to real human pictures, i mean its anime, come on.

2. Tracing can help you but very slowly, really slowly which is why most people say it wont help at all. 

3. I see that you agree but she added copying and refrencing together under the same paragraph as if it is the same. 

4. well, i would say yelling can help people my idea on a problem was changed just by arguing with them, until we started to discuss instead of fight. And i was kinda being a jerk, now we are fine. 
Capukat Featured By Owner Sep 30, 2013  Professional General Artist
Haha well I guess what I was trying to say was that
1. Even anime artists will reference real human anatomy. I used to do animal and human (anime) work by just 'winging it' so to speak
and trying to look off of example art 
but it never went far because of the pure fact that I'm only taking ideas off of artwork and not the things around me.
But that's just personal opinion ofc, although personally  and even based off of art teachers' advice, they'll always tell you that even if you want to stylize work, it's important to get base anatomy down.
Haha it was even mentioned in a disney vid when they were studying real bunnies to draw Thumper :3

2. Quite possibly, but why take the slow way when you can do it the better way? c:

3. I added them in the same paragraph not to show similarities, but to group them into one topic XD Sorry if that was confusing.

4. Well that's awesome! I just know that personally and ofc with the people I know and have seen, the whole "F U" thing doesn't really work out too well.. xD
GodsAngelGG Featured By Owner Sep 30, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Oh okay and thank chu for le llama
Capukat Featured By Owner Oct 1, 2013  Professional General Artist
No probs x3
ToddNTheShiningSword Featured By Owner Sep 28, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I honestly think a lot of the problem is just because how new the internet still is. Yes, it's been around for about 20 years, (and had a primitive form before that) but really, it didn't become everywhere until the new millennium started. in the 1980s, nobody would have cared if you copied their work closely. It was only about 5 to 10 years ago that a rule was made that suddenly copying other people's work without credit was bad.

I know some people might say that it's not relevant because if the rule's been in place for 10 years everyone should know, but it is. If the internet had been around for 150 years, for example, then parents would sit their little children down and teach them what the rules for copying are, just like parents and relatives teach their kids all kinds of other stuff, but this rule is so new that it wasn't true when our parents were kids- or even young adults- so they couldn't have known to teach it to us when we were 6 years old so we'd know it. Plus, the new rules about copying fly in the face of nature, just as you pointed out. We see things. We copy them. We take from nature. We take from people. That's how we learn how to do new things, and then once we have more experience we get tired of copying and start to want to be original. Children are hard wired to copy everything they admire as much as they can, so teaching not-copying is, like, not only impractical, but it's like it goes against nature.

I think copycats like the one you posted the picture of aren't really that bad. Annoying, maybe, but not bad. No matter how old the copycat was, I bet she wasn't old. I bet she was young. I think we artists need to learn to be a little better at being flattered when young people copy us, regardless of what our action is when we find out. She re-drew the entire image with her own canine. I think (based solely on what it looks like and not on any conversation that may have occurred) that person saw your work and was inspired to make her own wolf with a paintbrush because she saw you do it. People naturally do that kind of copying too. I know I have. I did that so much when I was a kid. Everyone doesn't know the new rule yet because parents don't teach it, but there shouldn't be a law against drawing a wolf with a paintbrush at a table just because other people have already done it.

This is gonna work itself to an extent in the future because today's artists will teach their future children that if they post something on the internet, they always have to tell everybody where they got their idea from. I say "to an extent", though, because only artists and people who have issues today with copied work will teach their little ones that. :shrug:
ToddNTheShiningSword Featured By Owner Sep 28, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I'm glad you wrote this and you wrote it the way you did, but still, I'm fearful one day inspiration will be against the law. 

Sometimes we see another artist's work and fall in love with their idea. :shrug: 
Let's say I were a kid and I saw somebody drew a picture of a Pikachu with a hat. Let's say I'd been taught to ask for permission first, so I go to the artist and ask them if I can draw a Pikachu in a hat too and they say no and I'm heartbroken? So now if I draw a Pikachu in a hat I'm breaking the law? Now I can never, ever draw one, even when I'm 50 years old and don't want to do it anymore just because some person who did it before me says I can't? 

And some people say you can't copy poses... :X If you don't copy the pose exactly, how are you supposed to get the pose exactly right? You're not even supposed to draw human anatomy totally from memory. You're supposed to copy other humans whenever possible to make sure you get yours right. And I don't think you should have to credit someone for a pose because an artist cannot claim they own a particular position of the human body. It kinda bugs me if someone yells that their art was stolen just because someone draws their own original character in the same pose the artist's character was in. I can see how they could see it that way, but really, people use the word "theft" too liberally, I think, and I bet you think that too and that's why you wrote this article. :thumbsup:
Capukat Featured By Owner Oct 1, 2013  Professional General Artist
haha thanks! 
And I see what you mean, although if I may put it this way, I don't think that will ever happen simply because not enough people are as invested in art as we'd like. The government will never be too concerned with minor art like this from websites like dA (for the most part, I would say). Plagiarism is "against the law" but it's just the fact that art isn't of any real significance to those that make the law so I'm not saying I know what'll happen, just trying to say you wouldn't have to worry about that haha XD

Besides, that is what I was referring to as utterly stupid. Because first off they don't own Pikachu and the idea isn't new. Of course there are countless other examples, but I believe unless the owner of the art truly has an undeniably original idea that's accepted as that way by the vast majority, then it's silly to try claiming something that way x__X
if that made sense *facepalms* XD sorry i'm writing this a bit late //was supposed to be asleep//

Haha as for poses, I would just say copying off a real image of a person is a bit silly when people complain about claiming poses. I do think though that in artwork it's debatable because people can take their own takes on anatomy and stylize things a lot (which is therefore why trying to learn anatomy from something stylized is just not a good way) 
But yea, just my two cents XD
although uhuh, some people take the 'theft' thing too far
ToddNTheShiningSword Featured By Owner Edited Jul 29, 2015  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Since this is an old Reply and you are very busy I'm sure, I'll only going to say your opinions are totally cool and reply to the last part. :la:
If people should not learn anatomy from something stylized, how are they supposed to get their MLP or Sonic fanart right?! :XD:
Capukat Featured By Owner Jul 31, 2015  Professional General Artist
Well I suppose it's how you view anatomy vs style?

Anatomy at its foundation is the understanding of how the physical structure of a horse works. How the bones connect and the muscles move and the proportions of the animal in general.

You can learn to draw in .. let's say an MLP style and in due time reproduce perfectly MLP styled characters in all sorts of poses. However the only 2 problems with this are, if they matter to you.

1. You're restricted to only drawing in that MLP style, since without further real horse anatomical knowledge, how are you to know the proportions/etc to recreate a horse in another style.

2. The original MLP artist as well as artists of other stylized art (disney, etc) studied real living breathing creatures to understand the fundamentals and then break it down into a caricature of sorts.

So I'm not saying that you shouldn't learn (if you want to) from stylization. But that's not really learning anatomy. You CAN say that you know the anatomy of an MLP pony though. That I agree with :) But I supposed from my point of view, having struggled with (and still am) finding a style that really suits me, I could of course just study another style of art but without knowing how the real thing works, it's nearly impossible to cartoonize and stylize the real animal and bend it to another style. Studying anatomy from styles is really restricting and as far I know doesn't allow for much individual style originality. That doesn't have to be a bad thing of course, all in how you see it.

Sorry again if my comments are a bit windy and confusing. The more I do art the more I find myself unable to use words properly at times lol XD 
ToddNTheShiningSword Featured By Owner Sep 6, 2015  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
That was interesting to think about, that, especially the bit about how studying styles can be a bit toxic to one's own development.

I guess the first thing on my mind when I was thinking about that was if someone already knows enough about how to draw for the time being and just wants to draw a specific style, or if, for whatever reason, they ONLY want to draw that specific style. Take me, for example. I don't care too much for MLP, BUT I was doing some MLP art for a dA friend, and in order to do that I had to learn some good 'ol MLP so I could whip up 3 deviations for her. I didn't need to know about real horses because I just needed some ponies. :)

But that doesn't make you one bit less insightful! I like talking to people like you, because people like you are educational to speak with!
Just learning a stylized thing does limit you to just that way, and might even create more limitations for you down the road, because if you try to learn the real thing later, or another style, the stylized style that you learned might heavily influence how you do that! :noes:
Also, though, I did know already (it took me a good while to learn it but I did) that people who draw stylized characters first learned how to draw the real thing right, THEN they stylized it.
Although the coolest example of this isn't the one that taught me, I still think the coolest example of this is how I heard that to help the animators make and animate characters better, Disney actually brought a real, live lion in for a time for the animators to study to make The Lion King!!! Even though they would be animating Disney styled cartoon lions, they still studied a real one. And pictures of real ones. Did you know that already?
Capukat Featured By Owner Sep 9, 2015  Professional General Artist
Also I forgot to aoplogize beforehand in the other reply but I'm typing this up with a migraine so if I make no sense, I am sorry haha!

But yes I agree with that. I did an MLP commission and I wanted to stay at least mostly true to the style so I googled quite a bit of it.

And yes I am aware! I guess that was the point I was trying to make too (with my horrid explanation skills lol!) I watched one of the special edition shorts for Bambi years ago and found out they brought in rabbits to study before stylizing it into Thumper, etc. And many other examples but it is why I believe that to effectively stylize something, one has to understand the real thing and then apply a personal twist to it.

This is a very fun conversation though, so thanks btw! :D
ToddNTheShiningSword Featured By Owner Nov 13, 2015  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
You're welcome.

And I agree with you, too!
But sometimes doing the stylized way first can be useful, since you may be under the pressure of time, or you might have a hard time finding a style you- or your friends/clients/teacher/fans like, so seeing someone else's can be super inspiring. I mean, just look at deviantART! Look how many young artists are super obviously inspired to begin drawing in the first place due to styles, rather than reality! People hear "realism" and groan like they're getting homework, :lol: Without all the over-stimulating styles out there, most of us would probably never even been set on the rewarding journey of learning our own styles to begin with!

So you're still right. :nod: But maybe the very best way is to start with learning someone else's style first, then learn realism, then learn to stylize. :XD:
Is drawing like writing in a way, where the way you learn to do it right is by reading good writing other people have written and analyzing and absorbing from their styles? In any way? No?

And I need to reply to your other Reply, too. That one was even better. And sorry I took a billion years to reply to these. I even-more-don't want to take too long to reply now, after hearing that you're finding this fun, and it isn't just me! And how long have we been having this conversation, anyway? It feels like it's been two years! :XD: :laughing:
ToddNTheShiningSword Featured By Owner Sep 6, 2015  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
About finding a style that suits you...
Isn't having an art style like having a handwriting style? I thought it was just like that, where, just as with handwriting, if you can write the alphabet without making any of the letters wobbly, you have a handwriting style, well, with art, if you can draw any lines straight without them being wobbly, then you have an art style... right? So I keep telling myself the deal with people who are looking for an art style for themselves is they're trying to come up with a style that will make them famous. :XD: :shrug: Because, I mean, everybody's got a style if they can draw at all, and that's why someone who's seen your work can look at it and tell it's yours. Between the hand and the brain, style comes automatically, right? :D

Since you seem to like to talk, I'll send you this as one reply and a short one to the... main part of your Reply. ^^; :XD: You don't always have tons of time to Reply, though, because you're, like, super popular, so you're probably super busy. :work: :la:
Capukat Featured By Owner Sep 9, 2015  Professional General Artist
No I definitely agree with that! Once again I really have a hard time with words but yeah I agree wholeheartedly that a style is something that comes naturally. 
But if you would think of it this way, naturally most people when drawing from observation (which is arguably the most effective way to get a grasp of how to draw things/anatomy) we tend to do something at least semi-realistic. 

I don't know how to really describe it but at least personally, the moment I try stylizing my art to a more pop-culture or.. perhaps cartoony? style approach. I end up having to experiment with how I want my interpretation of a real creature or object to look. So at least I can speak for myself when I say that though it's easy enough for me to draw observational sketches in "my own" realism style. When it comes to making a comic or something, I still haven't found a solid way of drawing that I like. I don't know. I mean I definitely don't feel like I'm forcing myself to continuously change styles but I guess I'm at a stage where I'm really just trying out like "should I draw the fur like this? Maybe I'll make it more loose.." and finding  something that is pleasing to me.

And haha it's fine I love discussions like this. It really gets me going ! :la:
GodsAngelGG Featured By Owner Sep 28, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
I totally agree with you on this one. Soon inspiration will be lost and people will start to fight.
ToddNTheShiningSword Featured By Owner May 3, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Yes, you're right. I wouldn't reply to such an old Reply, but then I saw 

THIS Cracked article, that claims famous cartoon characters were "shameless ripoffs" just because some of them had some similarities with older things. Now, some of that really WAS ripping off, and some decent observations were made, but saying DISNEY'S THE LION KING was a SHAMELESS RIPOFF when Disney animated films are known and acknowledged to rarely be original stories anyway? That's going too far!

You're right. Inspiration will be all lost and people will start to fight. I hope it doesn't get to that point!
GodsAngelGG Featured By Owner May 3, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
its okay the reply is late, but thats how it is i see arguments all the time on things being rip off and unoriginal, when nothing really can be trully oroginal...except you!
ToddNTheShiningSword Featured By Owner May 3, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
The very last part of your reply is amazing. :)
GodsAngelGG Featured By Owner May 3, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
thanks! ^^ im an inspring writer 
ToddNTheShiningSword Featured By Owner May 3, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
No wonder what you just said just sounded amazing. :)
GodsAngelGG Featured By Owner May 3, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
really? im kinda giving on on being one but thanks! it means a lot to me 
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Eun-Gi Featured By Owner Sep 27, 2013  Student Traditional Artist
Generally, if one needs a reference, then they will get a reference, particularly if it is an animal they have never drawn before, or any type of historical/cultural clothing, buildings, items, weapons, etc. Imagine how things would be if you just drew the "symbolism" drawings. Nobody would want to get something wrong when they are just starting. :) 

My art teacher actually told me that simply put, you are going to have to be able to draw actual things, so when you put them into your own style/variation, it still has some human anatomy tied to it, and the characters features can make a little more sense when we look at them. Especially if you have a portfolio you need to present to the person during an interview for a job, you need to have skills at least to be able to do something along those lines. ^^ 

I do not mind saying that I tend to copy sometimes, but only to get the feel of the style, and for personal uses, maybe perhaps study other artist's drawings/styles. (Especially character designers!)

You cannot really copyright anything that everyone needs to learn how to draw, basically. :XD: I mean, who would copyright the DNA Helix images? xD We all need to know how it looks so it looks what it is supposed to be looking like. xDD It is all a part of learning, and if we do not learn as artists that there are things people all need to learn in order to make the object what it is, then I am pretty sure things might go hectic. Profanity never helps, and I do hope people have learned that sometimes profanity is not the way to solve things by asking, because at some points in a conversation, it feels like as if the other person really wants to punch you in the face, stab you with a knife, jump on you, and throw you over a bridge. Not very pleasant language to communicate in, with not a lot of manners by all means. :/ The only time I would have profanity flooding out of my mouth is if something bad happened, or if I lost something, you get the idea. 

And I tend to reference Ken Sugimori's Pokemon drawings A LOT all because I usually need to know how to sketch them generally before putting it into my style. xD And so I know what it should just generally look like. xDDD (And sorry for yet another comment, and it is long.... xD)
squirreltape Featured By Owner Sep 27, 2013
Thankyou for getting that out.
1 if you are using others art for inspiration or to learn techniques then you must credit and be honest,
2 'copying' is ok but MUST be declared as such, certainly with a link to the original,
3 painting a real tree is not copying in any sense as the tree is a natural object and is no-ones intellectual property (Im an atheist so no I don't include anyones god/gods as being the copyright holder)
thats my take
oh, and no cussing
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